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Grasping Darkness · Apr 19, 2006, 03:35 AM // 03:35

idk how much it is going to be but i will buy 2 copies myself as a donation to the gw team...if i knew what gw was before i bought it and it cost $500 i would have it...im pretty poor too ...prob cuz i do nothing but play gw and work when its convenient for my gw schedule lmao

Ken Dei · Apr 19, 2006, 06:40 AM // 06:40

My biggest concern is that the new types of gameplay:
-Shutting casual players out from Elite Missions
-Higher amount of various grind

are signals that NCSoft noticed how well GWP did and are trying to stick their hand in the cookie jar a little to much. i.e. screwing with A.Net's concept of how the game SHOULD be, for the sake of money.

Raziel665 · Apr 19, 2006, 07:20 AM // 07:20

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Originally Posted by Intera

Don't forget guys that EB does its 7 day returns policy for any reason and you can get all your money back.

So if you're unsure about the purchase you could just return it.

N.B. I sound like an EB Salesman...but I'm not, just trying to help.

I doubt it goes for PC games too, since you usually need a key to activate them, and you've used your key, wich you cant remove from your account.

Renegade ++RIP++ · Apr 19, 2006, 07:23 AM // 07:23

Sigh, i really don't care if it is only 50$. Many games are only 50$ and some of them you can play online as well... oooohhhh the novelty.

On top of that I don't care that i can scrunge the money together by saving some more. Point is 10$ IS 10$, and could be the start of your first million... or be used to go to the cinema, or heck rent some movies to watch together with your girlfriend. On top of that simply stating what can you still buy with 10$ these days is besides the question. The point should be: is the game in your opinion worth 50$, and in my eyes it sure as hell isn't... for the next reasons:

1) big flaws concerning the use of fuzzy math
2) the heightened focus on more pvp control for pve missions while the favorsystem has already shown us how crooked that is.
3) the severe screwage of small and more brotherly guilds
4) the increased focus on 'grind' and 'hardcore player' in stead of on fun and casual game play.
5) the gal of spindoctoring an expansion as a stand alone product.

And any amount of fanboyisme or fangalisme isn't going to convince me to think otherwise, heck it will just reinforce my opinion seeing thats all you see lately...

Lastly spending 50 bucks or gaining 50 bucks is a difference of 100bucks if you really want to go further on a limp. And for the moment the game ain't worth that for me but hey do whatever else you guys/gals wanna do but i'm tired of seeing people express an opinion about how other people choose to spend their dough (eyes a certain mod...).

Thallandor · Apr 19, 2006, 10:38 AM // 10:38

After listening to VGM's second part interview with Jeff, my hope for factions have been renewed even as a PvE player hopefully the 3 part interviews will help address most of the questions we have about it.

My $50 +collectors extra is already in their bank account.

Exoudeous · Apr 19, 2006, 11:37 AM // 11:37

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Originally Posted by Renegade ++RIP++

Sigh, i really don't care if it is only 50$. Many games are only 50$ and some of them you can play online as well... oooohhhh the novelty.

On top of that I don't care that i can scrunge the money together by saving some more. Point is 10$ IS 10$, and could be the start of your first million... or be used to go to the cinema, or heck rent some movies to watch together with your girlfriend. On top of that simply stating what can you still buy with 10$ these days is besides the question. The point should be: is the game in your opinion worth 50$, and in my eyes it sure as hell isn't... for the next reasons:

1) big flaws concerning the use of fuzzy math
2) the heightened focus on more pvp control for pve missions while the favorsystem has already shown us how crooked that is.
3) the severe screwage of small and more brotherly guilds
4) the increased focus on 'grind' and 'hardcore player' in stead of on fun and casual game play.
5) the gal of spindoctoring an expansion as a stand alone product.

And any amount of fanboyisme or fangalisme isn't going to convince me to think otherwise, heck it will just reinforce my opinion seeing thats all you see lately...

Lastly spending 50 bucks or gaining 50 bucks is a difference of 100bucks if you really want to go further on a limp. And for the moment the game ain't worth that for me but hey do whatever else you guys/gals wanna do but i'm tired of seeing people express an opinion about how other people choose to spend their dough (eyes a certain mod...).

yah, adn you should know, you have played the final version of the full game release.

oh wait, you played a limited demo.

I mean go ahead and whine all you want, but from everything Ive seen so far people have complaind about stuff they misinterpreted. the only way to really know whats up is to play the actual game

Mordakai · Apr 19, 2006, 01:52 PM // 13:52

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Originally Posted by Renegade ++RIP++

Lastly spending 50 bucks or gaining 50 bucks is a difference of 100bucks if you really want to go further on a limp. And for the moment the game ain't worth that for me but hey do whatever else you guys/gals wanna do but i'm tired of seeing people express an opinion about how other people choose to spend their dough (eyes a certain mod...).

Aren't you doing the same thing by saying $50 is a waste? We all have a right to our opinion, so do you. But, I reserve the right to disagree.

$50 for Factions is not a waste. I spend more than $50 on cable and renting movies in a single month, and usually enjoy playing GW more!

BTW, you'll have to explain the "spending 50 bucks or gaining 50 bucks is a difference of 100 bucks" logic. If you don't buy Factions, you've saved $50. Period. You don't get another $50... (speaking of fuzzy math....)

Snowman · Apr 19, 2006, 02:45 PM // 14:45

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Originally Posted by Omega X

I am looking for answers to whether or not to buy the game in addition to figure out what is everyone elses decision to buy the game other than "because its Guild Wars and a no brainer for people who played the first one".

So why not wait until its released and PROPERLY reviewed, when people can give an ACCURATE opinion and not one based on screenshots, video's and a few days of SAMPLE game play.

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Originally Posted by Omega X

So my question to you is...IF you don't care then why try to attack me? Why try to stop discussion on a discussion board about the proper topic in the proper area?

Because I wonder what your true intentions are behind your thread!

Why would you (or anyone for that matter) make a decision on wether to buy any product that is not even available for purchase based on how many other people may or may not have already decided?

For example, you wouldnt decide if a new movie is good or not until AFTER its been released! and everyone has seen it and it has been properly reviewed.

So I have to ask why?...as (nearly) every post I see from you is basically slagging off Anet I come to the conclusion that your intention with this thread is simply to stir more argument and general negative feeling toward Anet.

I feel this is completly unfair to Anet and its developers!

oh and yes.. well done, look at all the replies, all the flame and arguing, congratulations!... doesnt look like "information gathering" to me. more like you started a flame war, which is possibly your true intention.

sdliddo · Apr 19, 2006, 03:05 PM // 15:05

lol 50 bucks is 50 bucks IMHO. My rent and utilities and cabletv and internet all cost far far far far more than just 50 bucks. Gameplay aside not to mention all those screwy issues we all saw in the preview.. i still think it will be a great game.

Loviatar · Apr 19, 2006, 03:45 PM // 15:45

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Originally Posted by Renegade ++RIP++

5) the gal of spindoctoring an expansion as a stand alone product.

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rip

do you truly think someone who purchases Factions without having chapter 1 is only purchasing an expansion rather than getting a full game?

if so is than chapter 1 which has given hundreds/thousands of hours of gaming fun to people merely an expansion to someone who started on Factions and decides to get chapter 1 as well?

WasAGuest · Apr 19, 2006, 04:13 PM // 16:13

We gamers are a funny bunch aren't we?

Some players jump to the defence of a company that is in business to earn money by releasing a product. If the product does well, it sells well. If a product does poorly, it will sell poorly.

This thread really jumped off target, and that's mostly my fault. I answered the thread and explained why I would be sitting Factions out, I was questioned about my reasons, actually, I was "informed" I was "wrong"... even though I stated they were my reasons and my opinion. To clarify my reasons, I mentioned the cost to value point... Ooops on me.

I really liked Snowman's point about a movie and can add to it. Maybe that will help those who's opinions differ, and in seeing a different point of view, will stop the flaming and "whine" cries (just because someone's opinion differ's from your's, doesn't mean they are "whining" - that always makes me laugh).

You see a movie preview. It looks alright and you think about going to see it but are not sure cause there's an actor in it that really isn't that good. An hour later, another movie preview comes on and it also looks good. You like all the actors in it and therefore there is no question you will enjoy the second movie. You only have enough cash on hand to take yourself and one other person to one movie... which do you choose?
Now the end result could have many turn abouts. The second movie was really bad and now you've busted you pocket till next payday and you regret it. Or, you really liked the movie and have no second thoughts on it.
Maybe, the first movie ends up outselling the second by leaps and bounds and does better cause the actor finally learned to act. You'll never know unless you go see it, or hear from someone else. Does that mean we all should just sit around waiting for someone else to go see the movie before we do? Or should we take a gamble (and live a little) and make the choice?

In the game situation right now, Factions has less for me (and other's) than Oblivion (in my choice) did. I bought Oblivion over Faction cause the "previews" showed there was more content (thus value per dollar) in Oblivion than there was in Factions. I may be way off, but those previews are all I had to go off of. Some opinions may be that I jumped the gun a bit, I don't think I did as I'm enjoying my choice quite a bit.

For Factions to have won me over in the first place it would not have taken a lot. Having loved Chapter 1 it should have been an easy sale. Instead, I saw things that turned me away. I don't like competitive play. Period. Anet has merged, to a great deal, competition and Role playing. This latest interview on VM has turned me even further from wanting to play it. Not only do the two faction compete over land, but each alliance within it's own faction competes. It's all about competition, or at least as I said before, that's what I see in the "previews" and in the information at hand.

Hopefully, that being said, the thread can get back on track and us "funny players" can stop calling each other "whiners" and such.

PS. $50 is a lot to some people. I'm not "poor" but I budget money aside for my toys. Some of my budget went to RAM, some went to a new vid card. What I had left was enough for two games... the rest of my "extra" cash is going to take us to Disney! Woot.

wsmcasey · Apr 19, 2006, 04:25 PM // 16:25

I have 2 copies of factions already paid in full. I've really enjoyed chapter 1. Getting chapter 2 was a no brainer for me.

twicky_kid · Apr 19, 2006, 05:29 PM // 17:29

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Originally Posted by WasAGuest

I really liked Snowman's point about a movie and can add to it. Maybe that will help those who's opinions differ, and in seeing a different point of view, will stop the flaming and "whine" cries (just because someone's opinion differ's from your's, doesn't mean they are "whining" - that always makes me laugh).

You see a movie preview. It looks alright and you think about going to see it but are not sure cause there's an actor in it that really isn't that good. An hour later, another movie preview comes on and it also looks good. You like all the actors in it and therefore there is no question you will enjoy the second movie. You only have enough cash on hand to take yourself and one other person to one movie... which do you choose?
Now the end result could have many turn abouts. The second movie was really bad and now you've busted you pocket till next payday and you regret it. Or, you really liked the movie and have no second thoughts on it.
Maybe, the first movie ends up outselling the second by leaps and bounds and does better cause the actor finally learned to act. You'll never know unless you go see it, or hear from someone else. Does that mean we all should just sit around waiting for someone else to go see the movie before we do? Or should we take a gamble (and live a little) and make the choice?

I don't think that is a good comparison. You cannot compare a movie to a game. It just doesn't work. A movie will only req 3 hours, at most, of your time. Also cost much less than $50 bucks.

GW is for competitive play. They designed the game to be competitive. Every chapter is going to have some competition. Competition is what is going to carry this game into the future. Without competition this game would have been dead long ago. If you don't like competative games GW is not for you.

Is oblivion free to play? I saw previews and looked great but the monthly fee is the deciding factor for me. Monthly fees are nothing more than a way to suck more money out of you. It doesn't take 15-30 million dollars a month to run servers for a game like this. That's about how much blizzard makes on Wow each month. Besides they have a partnership with At&t for servers and bandwidth so it cost them less than other companies with the same amount of servers.

Mordakai · Apr 19, 2006, 05:33 PM // 17:33

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Originally Posted by twicky_kid

I don't think that is a good comparison. You cannot compare a movie to a game. It just doesn't work. A movie will only req 3 hours, at most, of your time. Also cost much less than $50 bucks.

Per hour, a movie is much more expensive.

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Originally Posted by twicky_kid

GW is for competitive play. They designed the game to be competitive. Every chapter is going to have some competition. Competition is what is going to carry this game into the future. Without competition this game would have been dead long ago. If you don't like competative games GW is not for you.

Your opinion (obviously). Others have theirs, and they are just as valid.

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Originally Posted by twicky_kid

Is oblivion free to play?

It's not online, it's not a MMORPG, so yeah. Unless you waste money on stupid upgrades (go to the Oblivion thread for more info).

Loviatar · Apr 19, 2006, 05:38 PM // 17:38

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Originally Posted by twicky_kid

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Is oblivion free to play? I saw previews and looked great but the monthly fee is the deciding factor for me..

it is one of those good old single player games that you play without going online.

love the series from the start

dargon · Apr 19, 2006, 06:01 PM // 18:01

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

it is one of those good old single player games that you play without going online.

love the series from the start

That said, if Guild Wars was being done like Oblivion, Sorrows Furnance would have cost about $5 for each account that wanted access, the addition of green items would have probably cost around $1.50 per item for the ability to get it, etc etc etc

WasAGuest · Apr 19, 2006, 06:12 PM // 18:12

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Originally Posted by twicky_kid

I don't think that is a good comparison. You cannot compare a movie to a game. It just doesn't work. A movie will only req 3 hours, at most, of your time. Also cost much less than $50 bucks.

I wasn't comparing a movie and a game... actually, I wasn't comparing anything at all. I was using Snowman's excellent point about previews and thier impact on appeared value to the consumer. I simply added to what he said.

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Originally Posted by twicky_kid

GW is for competitive play. They designed the game to be competitive. Every chapter is going to have some competition. Competition is what is going to carry this game into the future. Without competition this game would have been dead long ago. If you don't like competative games GW is not for you.

Not according to Jeff Strain. In his newest interview he clearly states that GW started off as a Role playing game and has since added on features, such as competitive play. He also clearly states that each chapter will have dynamically different play mechanics to it. I have a feeling that Chapter 3 will have much more PvE mechanics to it. So, for those that feel GW is all about PvP, I hope (seriously, I do hope) that come Chapter 3 many PvPers are not upset... and on that same hope, I hope to see more of what I enjoy... PvE.

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Originally Posted by twicky_kid

Is oblivion free to play? I saw previews and looked great but the monthly fee is the deciding factor for me. Monthly fees are nothing more than a way to suck more money out of you. It doesn't take 15-30 million dollars a month to run servers for a game like this. That's about how much blizzard makes on Wow each month. Besides they have a partnership with At&t for servers and bandwidth so it cost them less than other companies with the same amount of servers.

Oblivion is an offline game. Deep role playing (though that is under debate in Bethesda's own forums). Extremely modable so you can "fix" it anyway you like. It's not without it's own issues though... you'll hear some of them mentioned in the VM interview with Jeff Strain... at the start. Good for a laugh if nothing else. - See, no game is completely perfect

On a more personal note: Not that anyone really cares, but I was just asked by my better half if I was still picking up Factions. Seems, I can't add (

) and actually do have enough cash on hand to pick up Factions if I so wanted too. Now the question I gotta look at is: Do I want to get it, or do I want to wait and see what Chapter 3 has so I can get a "jump" in on it? Hmmm, choices choices choices. - See, life is funny.

Edit: Before I accidently pull this topic off further, Oblivion shouldn't be compared to GWs. Very different games run by very different companies. My current feelings on Bethesda and Anet not withstanding, but Anet wins hands down on "fairness" and "customer support".

Mordakai · Apr 19, 2006, 06:23 PM // 18:23

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Originally Posted by WasAGuest

On a more personal note: Not that anyone really cares, but I was just asked by my better half if I was still picking up Factions. Seems, I can't add (

) and actually do have enough cash on hand to pick up Factions if I so wanted too. Now the question I gotta look at is: Do I want to get it, or do I want to wait and see what Chapter 3 has so I can get a "jump" in on it? Hmmm, choices choices choices. - See, life is funny.

I care!

Seriously, can you only get one Chapter a year? If so, I would wait and make an informed choice.

If not, be impulsive and buy it next Friday! Wooot!

Omega X · Apr 19, 2006, 06:31 PM // 18:31

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Originally Posted by Snowman

oh and yes.. well done, look at all the replies, all the flame and arguing, congratulations!... doesnt look like "information gathering" to me. more like you started a flame war, which is possibly your true intention.

Once again. False. IF all you see is flaming then you need to open your eyes a bit.

Omega X · Apr 19, 2006, 06:36 PM // 18:36

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Originally Posted by twicky_kid

Besides they have a partnership with At&t for servers and bandwidth so it cost them less than other companies with the same amount of servers.

IS that really how its done? If it's true then wow. Normally AT&T would charge out the arse for something like that.